Fellow labor educators, As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. In solidarity, Joe Berry, As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it > https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft ______________________ co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement  ——————— Joe Berry 21 San Mateo Road, Berkeley, CA 94707 cell-510-999-0751 joeberry@igc.org or joetracyberry@gmail.com Skype: joeberry1948

A good thought, Joe. It would be interesting for people like me who are unfamiliar with the results of the earlier approaches to International Unions to know why nothing came to fruition. I ,too, was once a member of Worker Education Local 189. Thanks , Tom Rankin Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos. > On May 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: > >  > Fellow labor educators, > > As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. > > In solidarity, > > Joe Berry, > > As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it >> https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft > > > ______________________ > co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> > Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement > > <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> > > > > > > > > > > ——————— > Joe Berry > 21 San Mateo Road, > Berkeley, CA 94707 > cell-510-999-0751 > joeberry@igc.org or > joetracyberry@gmail.com > Skype: joeberry1948 > > > > _______________________________________________ > UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org > > See UALE's website at <uale.org>. You can also like us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter

Nice to hear from you, Tom. It would be hard to dispassionately summarize the real reason for the expulsion, but my own reading of the history (It was a bit before I joined) is thatm it was mainly over opposition to the VN war. Other can add more details if they wish. Joe ______________________ co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement  ——————— Joe Berry 21 San Mateo Road, Berkeley, CA 94707 cell-510-999-0751 joeberry@igc.org or joetracyberry@gmail.com Skype: joeberry1948 > On May 26, 2024, at 3:27 PM, Tom Rankin <trankin.cara@gmail.com> wrote: > > A good thought, Joe. > It would be interesting for people like me who are unfamiliar with the results of the earlier approaches to International Unions to know why nothing came to fruition. I ,too, was once a member of Worker Education Local 189. > Thanks , > Tom Rankin > Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos. > >> On May 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: >> >>  >> Fellow labor educators, >> >> As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. >> >> In solidarity, >> >> Joe Berry, >> >> As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it >>> https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft >> >> >> ______________________ >> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >> >> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ——————— >> Joe Berry >> 21 San Mateo Road, >> Berkeley, CA 94707 >> cell-510-999-0751 >> joeberry@igc.org or >> joetracyberry@gmail.com >> Skype: joeberry1948 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org >> >> See UALE's website at <uale.org>. You can also like us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter

It is a sordid history as Albert Shanker opposed AFT president David Selden in 1974 and Selden was a Local 189 member and had the support of all of us in the overalls brigade over Viet Nam. When Shanker was elected, he expelled Local 189 in revenge. Jon Bloom has a great history of Local 189. Bill Barry Sent from my iPhone > On May 26, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: > > Nice to hear from you, Tom. It would be hard to dispassionately summarize the real reason for the expulsion, but my own reading of the history (It was a bit before I joined) is thatm it was mainly over opposition to the VN war. Other can add more details if they wish. > > > > Joe > ______________________ > co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> > Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement > > <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> > > > > > > > > > > ——————— > Joe Berry > 21 San Mateo Road, > Berkeley, CA 94707 > cell-510-999-0751 > joeberry@igc.org or > joetracyberry@gmail.com > Skype: joeberry1948 > > > >> On May 26, 2024, at 3:27 PM, Tom Rankin <trankin.cara@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> A good thought, Joe. >> It would be interesting for people like me who are unfamiliar with the results of the earlier approaches to International Unions to know why nothing came to fruition. I ,too, was once a member of Worker Education Local 189. >> Thanks , >> Tom Rankin >> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos. >> >>>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: >>>> >>>  >>> Fellow labor educators, >>> >>> As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. >>> >>> In solidarity, >>> >>> Joe Berry, >>> >>> As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it >>>> https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft >>> >>> >>> ______________________ >>> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >>> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >>> >>> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ——————— >>> Joe Berry >>> 21 San Mateo Road, >>> Berkeley, CA 94707 >>> cell-510-999-0751 >>> joeberry@igc.org or >>> joetracyberry@gmail.com >>> Skype: joeberry1948 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org >>> >>> See UALE's website at <uale.org>. You can also like us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter > > _______________________________________________ > UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org > > See UALE's website at <uale.org>. You can also like us on Facebook and follow us on Twitter

                      In Solidarity,
                      John R. Hanson

Thanks for the note and update on Local(?) 189 vis a vis AFT. While it's been almost twenty years since my retirement from the University of Maine's Bureau of Labor Education, there remains a place in my heart, and my mind, for what waa Local 189 and the extensive field of University/College based Labor Education. It is heartening to hear someone raising questions about what the affiliations (AFT and later CWA) were and paths for the future. Best thoughts and wishes to all and sincere appreciation for the questions being raised. In Solidarity, John R. Hanson On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 7:29 PM William Barry <billbarry21214@gmail.com> wrote: > It is a sordid history as Albert Shanker opposed AFT president David > Selden in 1974 and Selden was a Local 189 member > and had the support of all of us in the overalls brigade over Viet Nam. > When Shanker was elected, he expelled Local 189 in revenge. > Jon Bloom has a great history of Local 189. > Bill Barry > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 26, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: > > Nice to hear from you, Tom. It would be hard to dispassionately summarize > the real reason for the expulsion, but my own reading of the history (It > was a bit before I joined) is thatm it was mainly over opposition to the VN > war. Other can add more details if they wish. > > > > Joe > ______________________ > co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for > the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at < > https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> > Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from > Labor’s Bookstore at > https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement > > <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> > > > > > > > > > > ——————— > Joe Berry > 21 San Mateo Road, > Berkeley, CA 94707 > cell-510-999-0751 > joeberry@igc.org or > joetracyberry@gmail.com > Skype: joeberry1948 > > > > On May 26, 2024, at 3:27 PM, Tom Rankin <trankin.cara@gmail.com> wrote: > > A good thought, Joe. > It would be interesting for people like me who are unfamiliar with the > results of the earlier approaches to International Unions to know why > nothing came to fruition. I ,too, was once a member of Worker Education > Local 189. > Thanks , > Tom Rankin > Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos. > > On May 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: > >  > Fellow labor educators, > > As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former > position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker > Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on > the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its > members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing > approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have > in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. > > In solidarity, > > Joe Berry, > > As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it > > https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft > > > > ______________________ > co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for > the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at < > https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> > Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from > Labor’s Bookstore at > https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement > > <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> > > > > > > > > > > ——————— > Joe Berry > 21 San Mateo Road, > Berkeley, CA 94707 > cell-510-999-0751 > joeberry@igc.org or > joetracyberry@gmail.com > Skype: joeberry1948 > > > > _______________________________________________ > UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org > > See UALE's website at <uale.org>. You can also like us on Facebook and > follow us on Twitter > > > _______________________________________________ > UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org > > See UALE's website at <uale.org>. You can also like us on Facebook and > follow us on Twitter > > _______________________________________________ > UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org > To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org > > See UALE's website at <uale.org>. You can also like us on Facebook and > follow us on Twitter

Tom and UALE , In rereading Rnkin’s message, I realize I did not really respond to the question he asked. Rather, I responded to the question I assumed he asked. My bad. Regarding his real point, Local 189 was actually affiliated with CWA for a while. Both the USW and NWU/UAW talks were negotiated for individuals to affiliate with those unions if they desired, but were not complete organizational affiliations. This is my best memory. BTW, I just spent a very pleasent evening with the SF Bay Area EWOC group who hosted Gabriel Winant, author of The Next Shift. Winant is an activist and leader in the new at large AAUP/AFT local that was referenced in my original message. A good historian, a valuable comrade, and a very nice guy. Read his book about Pittsburgh if you have not already. In solidarity, Joe ______________________ co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement  ——————— Joe Berry 21 San Mateo Road, Berkeley, CA 94707 cell-510-999-0751 joeberry@igc.org or joetracyberry@gmail.com Skype: joeberry1948 > On May 26, 2024, at 4:28 PM, William Barry <billbarry21214@gmail.com> wrote: > > It is a sordid history as Albert Shanker opposed AFT president David Selden in 1974 and Selden was a Local 189 member > and had the support of all of us in the overalls brigade over Viet Nam. When Shanker was elected, he expelled Local 189 in revenge. > Jon Bloom has a great history of Local 189. > Bill Barry > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 26, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: >> >> Nice to hear from you, Tom. It would be hard to dispassionately summarize the real reason for the expulsion, but my own reading of the history (It was a bit before I joined) is thatm it was mainly over opposition to the VN war. Other can add more details if they wish. >> >> >> >> Joe >> ______________________ >> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >> >> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ——————— >> Joe Berry >> 21 San Mateo Road, >> Berkeley, CA 94707 >> cell-510-999-0751 >> joeberry@igc.org or >> joetracyberry@gmail.com >> Skype: joeberry1948 >> >> >> >>> On May 26, 2024, at 3:27 PM, Tom Rankin <trankin.cara@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> A good thought, Joe. >>> It would be interesting for people like me who are unfamiliar with the results of the earlier approaches to International Unions to know why nothing came to fruition. I ,too, was once a member of Worker Education Local 189. >>> Thanks , >>> Tom Rankin >>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos. >>> >>>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>  >>>> Fellow labor educators, >>>> >>>> As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. >>>> >>>> In solidarity, >>>> >>>> Joe Berry, >>>> >>>> As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it >>>>> https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >>>> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >>>> >>>> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ——————— >>>> Joe Berry >>>> 21 San Mateo Road, >>>> Berkeley, CA 94707 >>>> cell-510-999-0751 >>>> joeberry@igc.org or >>>> joetracyberry@gmail.com >>>> Skype: joeberry1948 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org >>>> >>>> See UALE's website at <uale.org>. 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                       In Solidarity,
                       John R. Hanson

[image: Local 189.JPG] On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 5:03 AM John Hanson <jhanson@maine.edu> wrote: > Thanks for the note and update on Local(?) 189 vis a vis AFT. While it's > been almost twenty years since my retirement from the University of Maine's > Bureau of Labor Education, there remains a place in my heart, and my mind, > for what waa Local 189 and the extensive field of University/College based > Labor Education. > It is heartening to hear someone raising questions about what the > affiliations (AFT and later CWA) were and paths for the future. > Best thoughts and wishes to all and sincere appreciation for the questions > being raised. > > In Solidarity, > John R. Hanson > > On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 7:29 PM William Barry <billbarry21214@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> It is a sordid history as Albert Shanker opposed AFT president David >> Selden in 1974 and Selden was a Local 189 member >> and had the support of all of us in the overalls brigade over Viet Nam. >> When Shanker was elected, he expelled Local 189 in revenge. >> Jon Bloom has a great history of Local 189. >> Bill Barry >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 26, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: >> >> Nice to hear from you, Tom. It would be hard to dispassionately >> summarize the real reason for the expulsion, but my own reading of the >> history (It was a bit before I joined) is thatm it was mainly over >> opposition to the VN war. Other can add more details if they wish. >> >> >> >> Joe >> ______________________ >> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for >> the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at < >> https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from >> Labor’s Bookstore at >> https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >> >> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ——————— >> Joe Berry >> 21 San Mateo Road, >> Berkeley, CA 94707 >> cell-510-999-0751 >> joeberry@igc.org or >> joetracyberry@gmail.com >> Skype: joeberry1948 >> >> >> >> On May 26, 2024, at 3:27 PM, Tom Rankin <trankin.cara@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> A good thought, Joe. >> It would be interesting for people like me who are unfamiliar with the >> results of the earlier approaches to International Unions to know why >> nothing came to fruition. I ,too, was once a member of Worker Education >> Local 189. >> Thanks , >> Tom Rankin >> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos. >> >> On May 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: >> >>  >> Fellow labor educators, >> >> As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former >> position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker >> Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on >> the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its >> members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing >> approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have >> in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. >> >> In solidarity, >> >> Joe Berry, >> >> As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it >> >> https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft >> >> >> >> ______________________ >> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for >> the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at < >> https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from >> Labor’s Bookstore at >> https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >> >> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ——————— >> Joe Berry >> 21 San Mateo Road, >> Berkeley, CA 94707 >> cell-510-999-0751 >> joeberry@igc.org or >> joetracyberry@gmail.com >> Skype: joeberry1948 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org >> >> See UALE's website at <uale.org>. 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                       In Solidarity,
                       John R. Hanson

Great to hear your voice John! Some of us are still functional in our retirement! Thanks for myour kind words. Joe Berry ______________________ co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement  ——————— Joe Berry 21 San Mateo Road, Berkeley, CA 94707 cell-510-999-0751 joeberry@igc.org or joetracyberry@gmail.com Skype: joeberry1948 > On May 27, 2024, at 2:03 AM, John Hanson <jhanson@maine.edu> wrote: > > Thanks for the note and update on Local(?) 189 vis a vis AFT. While it's been almost twenty years since my retirement from the University of Maine's Bureau of Labor Education, there remains a place in my heart, and my mind, for what waa Local 189 and the extensive field of University/College based Labor Education. > It is heartening to hear someone raising questions about what the affiliations (AFT and later CWA) were and paths for the future. > Best thoughts and wishes to all and sincere appreciation for the questions being raised. > > In Solidarity, > John R. Hanson > > On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 7:29 PM William Barry <billbarry21214@gmail.com <mailto:billbarry21214@gmail.com>> wrote: >> It is a sordid history as Albert Shanker opposed AFT president David Selden in 1974 and Selden was a Local 189 member >> and had the support of all of us in the overalls brigade over Viet Nam. When Shanker was elected, he expelled Local 189 in revenge. >> Jon Bloom has a great history of Local 189. >> Bill Barry >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 26, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org <mailto:joeberry@igc.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Nice to hear from you, Tom. It would be hard to dispassionately summarize the real reason for the expulsion, but my own reading of the history (It was a bit before I joined) is thatm it was mainly over opposition to the VN war. Other can add more details if they wish. >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe >>> ______________________ >>> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >>> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >>> >>> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ——————— >>> Joe Berry >>> 21 San Mateo Road, >>> Berkeley, CA 94707 >>> cell-510-999-0751 >>> joeberry@igc.org <mailto:joeberry@igc.org> or >>> joetracyberry@gmail.com <mailto:joetracyberry@gmail.com> >>> Skype: joeberry1948 >>> >>> >>> >>>> On May 26, 2024, at 3:27 PM, Tom Rankin <trankin.cara@gmail.com <mailto:trankin.cara@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> A good thought, Joe. >>>> It would be interesting for people like me who are unfamiliar with the results of the earlier approaches to International Unions to know why nothing came to fruition. I ,too, was once a member of Worker Education Local 189. >>>> Thanks , >>>> Tom Rankin >>>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos. >>>> >>>>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org <mailto:joeberry@igc.org>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>  >>>>> Fellow labor educators, >>>>> >>>>> As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. >>>>> >>>>> In solidarity, >>>>> >>>>> Joe Berry, >>>>> >>>>> As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it >>>>>> https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________ >>>>> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >>>>> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >>>>> >>>>> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ——————— >>>>> Joe Berry >>>>> 21 San Mateo Road, >>>>> Berkeley, CA 94707 >>>>> cell-510-999-0751 >>>>> joeberry@igc.org <mailto:joeberry@igc.org> or >>>>> joetracyberry@gmail.com <mailto:joetracyberry@gmail.com> >>>>> Skype: joeberry1948 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org <mailto:ualelist@list.uale.org> >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org <mailto:ualelist-leave@list.uale.org> >>>>> >>>>> See UALE's website at <uale.org <http://uale.org/>>. 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                       In Solidarity,
                       John R. Hanson

As the person on the left in the photo and the former Southern Representative on Ann's Board, I would favor and join a reborn 189 in a heartbeat. Also, I just looked up and Lee gave a thumbs up as well. Should I contact Jim Wolff, Ann, Revitte, and Hoagie also? A cadre of us are still operating the Southern Appalachian Labor School. Our summer school starts Saturday for 10 weeks with a total of 300 participants from throughout the United States.. John David On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 12:35 PM William Barry <billbarry21214@gmail.com> wrote: > [image: Local 189.JPG] > > On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 5:03 AM John Hanson <jhanson@maine.edu> wrote: > >> Thanks for the note and update on Local(?) 189 vis a vis AFT. While >> it's been almost twenty years since my retirement from the University of >> Maine's Bureau of Labor Education, there remains a place in my heart, and >> my mind, for what waa Local 189 and the extensive field of >> University/College based Labor Education. >> It is heartening to hear someone raising questions about what the >> affiliations (AFT and later CWA) were and paths for the future. >> Best thoughts and wishes to all and sincere appreciation for the >> questions being raised. >> >> In Solidarity, >> John R. Hanson >> >> On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 7:29 PM William Barry <billbarry21214@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> It is a sordid history as Albert Shanker opposed AFT president David >>> Selden in 1974 and Selden was a Local 189 member >>> and had the support of all of us in the overalls brigade over Viet Nam. >>> When Shanker was elected, he expelled Local 189 in revenge. >>> Jon Bloom has a great history of Local 189. >>> Bill Barry >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 26, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: >>> >>> Nice to hear from you, Tom. It would be hard to dispassionately >>> summarize the real reason for the expulsion, but my own reading of the >>> history (It was a bit before I joined) is thatm it was mainly over >>> opposition to the VN war. Other can add more details if they wish. >>> >>> >>> >>> Joe >>> ______________________ >>> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies >>> for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at < >>> https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >>> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order >>> from Labor’s Bookstore at >>> https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >>> >>> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ——————— >>> Joe Berry >>> 21 San Mateo Road, >>> Berkeley, CA 94707 >>> cell-510-999-0751 >>> joeberry@igc.org or >>> joetracyberry@gmail.com >>> Skype: joeberry1948 >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 26, 2024, at 3:27 PM, Tom Rankin <trankin.cara@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> A good thought, Joe. >>> It would be interesting for people like me who are unfamiliar with the >>> results of the earlier approaches to International Unions to know why >>> nothing came to fruition. I ,too, was once a member of Worker Education >>> Local 189. >>> Thanks , >>> Tom Rankin >>> Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos. >>> >>> On May 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org> wrote: >>> >>>  >>> Fellow labor educators, >>> >>> As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former >>> position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker >>> Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on >>> the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its >>> members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing >>> approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have >>> in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. >>> >>> In solidarity, >>> >>> Joe Berry, >>> >>> As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it >>> >>> https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________ >>> co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies >>> for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at < >>> https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity> >>> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order >>> from Labor’s Bookstore at >>> https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement >>> >>> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ——————— >>> Joe Berry >>> 21 San Mateo Road, >>> Berkeley, CA 94707 >>> cell-510-999-0751 >>> joeberry@igc.org or >>> joetracyberry@gmail.com >>> Skype: joeberry1948 >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org >>> >>> See UALE's website at <uale.org>. You can also like us on Facebook and >>> follow us on Twitter >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org >>> >>> See UALE's website at <uale.org>. 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                      In Solidarity,
                      John R. Hanson

John, John Revitte tragically died a few years ago, but I have fond memories of 189 and would gladly join as well. John P. Beck Laboe Education Program Michigan State University ________________________________ From: John David <jdavid@citynet.net> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2024 11:12 PM To: William Barry <billbarry21214@gmail.com> Cc: Tom Rankin <trankin.cara@gmail.com>; UALE listserv <ualelist@list.uale.org> Subject: [Ualeindiv] Re: AAUP Local 6741 of the AFT | AAUP As the person on the left in the photo and the former Southern Representative on Ann's Board, I would favor and join a reborn 189 in a heartbeat. Also, I just looked up and Lee gave a thumbs up as well. Should I contact Jim Wolff, Ann, Revitte, and Hoagie also? A cadre of us are still operating the Southern Appalachian Labor School. Our summer school starts Saturday for 10 weeks with a total of 300 participants from throughout the United States.. John David On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 12:35 PM William Barry <billbarry21214@gmail.com<mailto:billbarry21214@gmail.com>> wrote: [Local 189.JPG] On Mon, May 27, 2024 at 5:03 AM John Hanson <jhanson@maine.edu<mailto:jhanson@maine.edu>> wrote: Thanks for the note and update on Local(?) 189 vis a vis AFT. While it's been almost twenty years since my retirement from the University of Maine's Bureau of Labor Education, there remains a place in my heart, and my mind, for what waa Local 189 and the extensive field of University/College based Labor Education. It is heartening to hear someone raising questions about what the affiliations (AFT and later CWA) were and paths for the future. Best thoughts and wishes to all and sincere appreciation for the questions being raised. In Solidarity, John R. Hanson On Sun, May 26, 2024 at 7:29 PM William Barry <billbarry21214@gmail.com<mailto:billbarry21214@gmail.com>> wrote: It is a sordid history as Albert Shanker opposed AFT president David Selden in 1974 and Selden was a Local 189 member and had the support of all of us in the overalls brigade over Viet Nam. When Shanker was elected, he expelled Local 189 in revenge. Jon Bloom has a great history of Local 189. Bill Barry Sent from my iPhone On May 26, 2024, at 7:05 PM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org<mailto:joeberry@igc.org>> wrote: Nice to hear from you, Tom. It would be hard to dispassionately summarize the real reason for the expulsion, but my own reading of the history (It was a bit before I joined) is thatm it was mainly over opposition to the VN war. Other can add more details if they wish. Joe ______________________ co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity__;!!HXCxUKc!0cRtZ_F3BX0cQn71QjEWW0XVOSMEJoMWFo-SL3cV_Le7yIBgY-DDD3Y419ig_qo_T1Xvftl63l-UPQ$>> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement__;!!HXCxUKc!0cRtZ_F3BX0cQn71QjEWW0XVOSMEJoMWFo-SL3cV_Le7yIBgY-DDD3Y419ig_qo_T1Xvftmx3bDxHg$> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> ——————— Joe Berry 21 San Mateo Road, Berkeley, CA 94707 cell-510-999-0751 joeberry@igc.org<mailto:joeberry@igc.org> or joetracyberry@gmail.com<mailto:joetracyberry@gmail.com> Skype: joeberry1948 On May 26, 2024, at 3:27 PM, Tom Rankin <trankin.cara@gmail.com<mailto:trankin.cara@gmail.com>> wrote: A good thought, Joe. It would be interesting for people like me who are unfamiliar with the results of the earlier approaches to International Unions to know why nothing came to fruition. I ,too, was once a member of Worker Education Local 189. Thanks , Tom Rankin Sent from my iPhone. Please excuse typos. On May 24, 2024, at 11:52 AM, Joe Berry <joeberry@igc.org<mailto:joeberry@igc.org>> wrote:  Fellow labor educators, As the message below indicates, AFT has evedently abandoned its former position of decades ago that resulted in the expulsion of old Woerker Education local 189, AFT (one of the predecessor organizations of UALE) on the basis that is was no longer a union with a distinct employer of its members. In this current case, might UALE want to consider discussing approaching national AFT about the possibility of affiliation, as we have in the past with CWA, USW, NWU/UAW, et al? Just a thought. In solidarity, Joe Berry, As you can see from the below, AFT has evidently relinquished it https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.aaup.org/chapters/aaup-local-6741-aft__;!!HXCxUKc!0cRtZ_F3BX0cQn71QjEWW0XVOSMEJoMWFo-SL3cV_Le7yIBgY-DDD3Y419ig_qo_T1XvftkYRfbZFw$> ______________________ co-author with Helena Worthen, of Power Despite Precarity: strategies for the contingent faculty movement in higher education. Order at <https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.plutobooks.com/9780745345529/power-despite-precarity__;!!HXCxUKc!0cRtZ_F3BX0cQn71QjEWW0XVOSMEJoMWFo-SL3cV_Le7yIBgY-DDD3Y419ig_qo_T1Xvftl63l-UPQ$>> Paperbacks come with free e-books. Books ship from Chicago. Or order from Labor’s Bookstore at https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.laborsbookstore.com/collections/all/products/power-despite-precarity-strategies-for-the-contingent-faculty-movement__;!!HXCxUKc!0cRtZ_F3BX0cQn71QjEWW0XVOSMEJoMWFo-SL3cV_Le7yIBgY-DDD3Y419ig_qo_T1Xvftmx3bDxHg$> <Cover PDP high res cover.jpeg> ——————— Joe Berry 21 San Mateo Road, Berkeley, CA 94707 cell-510-999-0751 joeberry@igc.org<mailto:joeberry@igc.org> or joetracyberry@gmail.com<mailto:joetracyberry@gmail.com> Skype: joeberry1948 _______________________________________________ UALEList mailing list -- ualelist@list.uale.org<mailto:ualelist@list.uale.org> To unsubscribe send an email to ualelist-leave@list.uale.org<mailto:ualelist-leave@list.uale.org> See UALE's website at <uale.org<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://uale.org__;!!HXCxUKc!0cRtZ_F3BX0cQn71QjEWW0XVOSMEJoMWFo-SL3cV_Le7yIBgY-DDD3Y419ig_qo_T1XvftlTT9SKDQ$>>. 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